September 10, 2003
Jerusalem's Siloam Tunnel dated
Modern-day tourists know the Siloam Tunnel as a half-kilometre-long passage running under Jerusalem's ancient city walls.Read the rest at the BBC. There is also a more detailed account at New Scientist, while this AP story adds comments by Herschel Shanks. [The Nature article is here].According to the Bible it was excavated by King Hezekiah to carry water from the Gihon spring into the city, securing the supply in times of warfare.
Most scholars believe this happened around 700 BC, though some have contended it is much younger.
Now research led by Amos Frumpkin of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, reported in the scientific journal Nature, has confirmed the date, which he says is a rare success.
NOTE: The BBC story continues:
Scholars say it is a useful find because it sets an absolute date for a Biblical event, rather than having to rely on interpretations and calculations.This is an astonishingly blatant insertion, that attempts to play down the damage this find does to the extremist claim that Jerusalem -- and in particular, the Temple Mount -- was not a Jewish holy site in antiquity. Temple denial and Holocaust denial are two faces of the same coin; Temple denial is now quite widespread among Palestinians, including the PA leadership, but to see it now embraced so protectively by the BBC is shocking, to say the least.But they say it does not constitute proof that any particular race or community settled in Jerusalem before any other, and shouldn't be used to claim any kind of primacy.
It will be interesting to see if the passage above ends up getting pulled before long (the article's header currently reads: "Last Updated: Wednesday, 10 September, 2003, 17:02 GMT 18:02 UK"); the "scholars" cited are unnamed, which is no surprise considering the flagrantly antihistorical sentiments attributed to them. And try though I might, I can find no other news report that similarly discounts the significance of the tunnel's dating: even the Arab Times presents the discovery straight.
Posted by David on September 10, 2003 1:24 PM
Omigosh.
That is a textbook example of Denialism.
Posted by: Michael Tinkler on September 10, 2003 6:02 PM
Denialism. And another blatant instance of the politicization of archaeology by journalists with no interest in history or science. Nazi "archaeology" functioned on the same basis of fantasy and pretext.
Posted by: Ghost of a flea on September 11, 2003 5:05 AM
Does anyone at the BBC really think it's an open question who inhabited Jerusalem in the reign of Hezekiah? If (as I would hope) no one does, the paragraph in question is nothing but an effort to pander to Arab bigots. Why such pandering from a self-styled "news service"?
Posted by: Aaron Baker on September 11, 2003 9:44 AM
It is simple nonsense. I would like to state my shock at this type of journalism is not very profound however. It seems to be the standard in modern journalism in most respects around the world. It is a shame however that it is funded through means of unwilling or even unknowing contributions. I recall one of Margaret Thatchers more distinguished pursuits in the direction of completely privatising the BBC. Unfortunately for us all, the task went down with the ship. Perhaps the people of the UK will "revisit" this organisation. As for Jerusalem, well lets just say Arafat and friends shall meet the truth in the not so distant future.
Posted by: Van on September 11, 2003 11:06 AM
So it does constitute proof that Hebrews settled the area first? No, no it doesn't. It simply dates when a tunnel was made which dovetails nicely with the Biblical record which itself places this event 700 years after the Hebrews arived in the area. It is questionable why the BBC inserted this caveat, but there is absolutely no doubt as to the validity of the statement. This has jack all to do with "Temple denial" - the First Temple's construction predated the tunnel by some 250 years - and it is a real stretch to equate the two.
Posted by: Harry Tuttle on September 11, 2003 3:10 PM
But who lived in the area before the arrival of the Semite peoples?
Posted by: Rade Balic on September 11, 2003 3:20 PM
The occupants of Jerusalem in 700BC were primarily Jews, along with some Phoenicians and other pagan tribes. There were no Muslims or Christians in 700BC
Posted by: Gary Aminoff on September 11, 2003 5:43 PM
The occupants of Jerusalem in 700 BC were Hebrew tribespeople who were becoming urbanized. By our definition of the word, they were not "Jews" at all.
Posted by: P. Smith on September 11, 2003 7:07 PM
So, Smith, what's "our" definition of a Jew, and how did the Hebrews of the Old Testament not qualify?
Posted by: cherr on September 11, 2003 10:52 PM
"By our definition of the word, they were not "Jews" at all."
Speak for yourself white man. The men who built that tunnel were, like the members of my synagogue are, members of Kol Yisroel, part of a family, Beit Yakov.
Had they suffered the Babaylonian exile? Had they heard all of the Prophets? Had they been oppressed by the Selucids? Driven out of their land by the Romans? written the Talmud? Been terrorized by Crusaders? Expelled from Spain? Burned in the Shoah? Returned to the Land? Founded a State? Fought 6 wars against islamo-facism?
No, of course not, that was 100 generations ago. But they were my house, my tribe, my people. I will not be separated from them by you, smith or by your little dog, arafat, may his name be blotted out.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz on September 12, 2003 2:23 AM
Harvard email address.
Figures
Posted by: Robert Schwartz on September 12, 2003 2:25 AM
"to see it now embraced so protectively by the BBC is shocking, to say the least."
Captain: I am shcoked, shoked to see gambeling at this establishement!
Waiter: Here are your winnings, Captain.
Captain: Thank you.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz on September 12, 2003 2:28 AM
... a great many masks have slipped in the last couple of years, haven't they?
Posted by: jaed on September 12, 2003 2:55 AM
I think you're all missing the future significance of the jew-baiting going on in our finer institutions and on the liberal street. Until lately Jews were chattels of the liberal plantation. They thought they were leaders but I hope that they've been cured of this lately. When they dared think outside the liberal box they had to be punished.
Think on this. What will the fate of blacks be if they start to question the mighty doctrines of the golden folk of liberalism.
Ask the Romans how you treat a slave group that gets uppity.
Not meaning to be petty but I always suspected the golden folk when their personal habits so closely paralleled Hitler's and Himmler's (vegans who hate smoking and spend a lot of effort glorifying sylvan pursuits).
Does this form of weak mind driven madness present as vegans who hate smoking or does the lack of meat and a decent cigar drive you to political madness.
Posted by: Theodore Baar on September 12, 2003 5:18 AM
It sounds suspicious.
But they don't actually say that Jerusalem was not a Jewish holy place at that time.
The warning, rather, suggests rather a connection between the current Palestinians and the pre-Jewish Canaanites.
Posted by: Michael on September 12, 2003 3:15 PM
There is NO connection between the current Palestinians and the pre-Jewish Canaanites.
The Palestinians of today are primarily Arabs from Jordan who were living in what, in 1967, was Jordan, and prior to 1948 was Trans-Jordan. The Jordanians which are from the Hashemite Arabs claim to be descendents of Abraham, from the tribe of Hashem. No relation to Canaanites.
Posted by: Gary Aminoff on September 12, 2003 10:07 PM
"But they say it does not constitute proof that any particular race or community settled in Jerusalem before any other, and shouldn't be used to claim any kind of primacy."
The ancient Greeks would claim of their cities that they were autochthons. Literally born from the land. Their myths, such as the sown-men of Thebes and Erechtheus in Athens, half dragon half man born of the earth, reflected this idea.
The "Palestinians" (a word that they cannot pronounce as their is no P sound in Arabic) often claim that they are autochthons; That they are the decendants of the Philistiens (there is that pesky P again) or the Canaanites; and that the Jews have no historical connection to the Land.
The Palestinian's allies among European religious academics have backed their claim by asserting that the TANAK (the Hebrew Old Testament") dates from the era of the Hasmonean revolt against the Seleucids (Books of Maccabees) and proves nothing about Jewish rights in the Land.
The signifgance of the Siloam is that it is physical evidence that TANAK sets forth actual history.
Can it prove that the Palestinians are not autochthons. No, despite the admonition of Numbers
33 (51 . . . When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, 52 drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you. . .), there is no evidence that Jews were the only inhabitants of the Land. OTOH, it does not establish that the Palestinians are in any way related to the non-Jewish people mentioned in TANAK.
And the Jews, remember that they never claimed to be autochthons. Dt 26:5 "My father was a wandering Aramean." But what TANAK does show is that the Jews entered the land at least 27 centuries ago and may be as much as 32 centuries ago. Nor does TANAK show that Jerusalem was founded by the Jews. II Sam 5 reports that it was occupied by the Jebusites and that David conquered it.
Conclusion. Dating the Siloam tunnel does not prove the Palestinians are not long time occupants of the Land, but it does show that TANAK sets forth history and that the claims of the Palestinians and their allies that TANAK is fiction are themselves fiction.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz on September 13, 2003 1:23 AM